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By Lyonesse - 2/12/2012 5:01:44 PM
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You can update your post, there is no stamina consumption in any sport of PvP. Neither arena/deathmatches, nor intrusions (PK). :)
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By PoeM - 2/12/2012 5:10:55 PM
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thx. updated =)
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By Aixa - 2/12/2012 5:50:33 PM
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Nice guide PoeM, I wanted to add some details and corrections to help out:
-Stamina is taken the moment you trigger something, or hit a monster. The amount taken is half rounded up. The other half is taken once you kill the boss. The amount is fixed by dificulty and you can afk in dungeons without wasting stamina.
-Stam consumption listings (for normal at least) are all off on 131.com and thisisgame.com at least.
-Bonus maps, warehouse 3, non warehouse 7 (northern border, heretic island).
-When doing parties, it seems only for master, 1 stamina less is spent.
-When intrusion is enabled, on all difficulties 1 stamina less (maybe more on master, not sure) is spent.
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By shadowshark - 2/12/2012 6:20:21 PM
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So is there a specified ammount of intrusions that can be done? (Nice guide btw)
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By PoeM - 2/12/2012 6:38:17 PM
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shadowshark (2/12/2012) So is there a specified ammount of intrusions that can be done? (Nice guide btw)
As many as you can afford with you in game gold xD
And thanks Axia, i will add your information to this guide
...(finished updating)
[Note] This was made off a few request of non VIP access players who might want to know the stamina system before playing =/
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By (GM)Gauri - 2/12/2012 7:31:34 PM
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Nice guide for stamina!
It will be helpful to new players.
Thank you,
GM Gauri
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By (VL)Strata - 2/12/2012 7:53:48 PM
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I for one will be the meanest volunteer alive....i will intrude on every ones and i mean everyones party and kill u all and take dungeon for myself.
Just Call me Strata The Great
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By (VL)Strata - 2/12/2012 7:55:08 PM
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BTW Gauri or any GM...PIN this topic!
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By PoeM - 2/12/2012 8:27:47 PM
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I'm glad the community likes this =D
I'll be sure to keep it updated whenever there are changes to the game & new game content
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By guenthar - 2/15/2012 6:35:31 AM
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I just got my invite today and will be able to play tomorrow and had a question about the Stamina system. Is this something that limits your time being able to play the game (except pvp and intrusions like it says in the faq) or is there content that doesn't require use of stamina? I may play a game for 18 to 20 hours (or more) straight but then not play the game for a week and if the system is going to hinder that I want to know so I can delete it off of my hard drive.
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By PoeM - 2/15/2012 10:58:06 AM
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guenthar (2/15/2012) I just got my invite today and will be able to play tomorrow and had a question about the Stamina system. Is this something that limits your time being able to play the game (except pvp and intrusions like it says in the faq) or is there content that doesn't require use of stamina? I may play a game for 18 to 20 hours (or more) straight but then not play the game for a week and if the system is going to hinder that I want to know so I can delete it off of my hard drive.
Well stamina is only consumed when playing dungeons... And it's not like you get a little bit of it. You get 250 per day + 250for the week. (In essence... it does limit gameplay)
HOWEVER, intrusions on other peoples dungeons and PvP will NOT consume any stamina. This will allow you to extend your gameplay hours infinitly.
With the increase of stamina that the developers gave us, it's possible to hit level 30+ in a single day. And further cap to 50 in 3 more days or less.
You shouldn't delete this game just because it has a stamina system. It's extremely fair and probably going to be one of the best PvP games of the year.
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By guenthar - 2/15/2012 6:12:34 PM
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Since I hate pvp I guess it really does limit gameplay for me and since there are so few action mmorpgs out there I really hate this.
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By PoeM - 2/15/2012 6:17:57 PM
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guenthar (2/15/2012) Since I hate pvp I guess it really does limit gameplay for me and since there are so few action mmorpgs out there I really hate this.
Ouch :/ Direct insult to most games ^
Guildwards 2 is going to have an amazing story so wait for that?
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By guenthar - 2/15/2012 9:46:58 PM
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I don't know how that was an insult to most games. I hate pvp because I'm not good at it and so it isn't very fun for me. There are very few mmorpgs with an action based combat system and most have the Wow styled combat system.
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By skeeby - 6/26/2012 6:15:03 AM
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so you cant run a normal dungeon once you run out of stamina?
or does stamina just provide bonus exp?
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By Tyson - 6/26/2012 6:40:05 AM
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We are going back to concurrent rates with JP/KR at 150 stam daily, I forget if bonus booster is 200 or 250, and the res scrolls will drop to 5 per day
Keep in mind consumables do exist to increase bonus booster, we just havent seen alot of those in the past betas
derp
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By ShadowStalker24 - 6/26/2012 6:59:32 AM
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Tyson (6/26/2012)
We are going back to concurrent rates with JP/KR at 150 stam daily, I forget if bonus booster is 200 or 250, and the res scrolls will drop to 5 per day
Keep in mind consumables do exist to increase bonus booster, we just havent seen alot of those in the past betas
derp
So 150 stamina daily... What level will I be able to reach in 1 day? (Starting at level 1)
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By Redskiies - 6/26/2012 7:00:18 AM
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Tyson (6/26/2012)
We are going back to concurrent rates with JP/KR at 150 stam daily, I forget if bonus booster is 200 or 250, and the res scrolls will drop to 5 per day
Keep in mind consumables do exist to increase bonus booster, we just havent seen alot of those in the past betas
derp
yep, basic stamina will b 150/day, and weekly booster will b 200/day, ofc u will b able to buy stamina increasing items for real money (zzzz-.- premium crap, same with keys and etc...)
so... the 1st day+1st weekly booster is about enough to get to 27-30, 2nd day and leftover weekly will get u to 35-36 (yep! in 2 days... lol... counted the time limit to 6-8hrs daily with getting to 27 in 6.5hrs with warden,scout,guardian and bm...)
tbh with this... getting to 50 in 5days is fked up (was able to get to 50 in 4.5days in cbt test)... will go back to basic 8days (vip test) (8days= 8x150+2x200stamina) and we still not spoke about farming^^" so with this actually c9 increases the time to deal with 1 char (that makes me happy, sometimes the travelling is better than the arriving... cap farming is boring, also cap pvp is awsum, so u decide), and makes us be able to lvl 2-3chars at the same time after lvl40 (with decent delays between chars:P)
this is smart and sick and repeatably boring, also challenging and somehow still interesting, that if ure bored in lvl42 dungs, u can go to ur alt and do lvl29 dungs or lvl10dungs (counted w 3 chars^^)
regards: red
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By PoeM - 6/26/2012 11:08:46 AM
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ShadowStalker24 (6/26/2012)
Tyson (6/26/2012)
We are going back to concurrent rates with JP/KR at 150 stam daily, I forget if bonus booster is 200 or 250, and the res scrolls will drop to 5 per day
Keep in mind consumables do exist to increase bonus booster, we just havent seen alot of those in the past betas
derp
So 150 stamina daily... What level will I be able to reach in 1 day? (Starting at level 1)
first day if you use the 150 + booster, you can get to 30+ if the game is played correctly
HOLY ***** SOMETHING/ONE DUG THIS UP O_O
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By PoeM - 6/26/2012 11:14:47 AM
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Redskiies (6/26/2012)
Tyson (6/26/2012)
We are going back to concurrent rates with JP/KR at 150 stam daily, I forget if bonus booster is 200 or 250, and the res scrolls will drop to 5 per day
Keep in mind consumables do exist to increase bonus booster, we just havent seen alot of those in the past betas
derp
yep, basic stamina will b 150/day, and weekly booster will b 200/day, ofc u will b able to buy stamina increasing items for real money (zzzz-.- premium crap, same with keys and etc...)
so... the 1st day+1st weekly booster is about enough to get to 27-30, 2nd day and leftover weekly will get u to 35-36 (yep! in 2 days... lol... counted the time limit to 6-8hrs daily with getting to 27 in 6.5hrs with warden,scout,guardian and bm...)
tbh with this... getting to 50 in 5days is fked up (was able to get to 50 in 4.5days in cbt test)... will go back to basic 8days (vip test) (8days= 8x150+2x200stamina) and we still not spoke about farming^^" so with this actually c9 increases the time to deal with 1 char (that makes me happy, sometimes the travelling is better than the arriving... cap farming is boring, also cap pvp is awsum, so u decide), and makes us be able to lvl 2-3chars at the same time after lvl40 (with decent delays between chars:P)
this is smart and sick and repeatably boring, also challenging and somehow still interesting, that if ure bored in lvl42 dungs, u can go to ur alt and do lvl29 dungs or lvl10dungs (counted w 3 chars^^)
regards: red
Weekly is 250/week (two-hundred and fifty per week) not 200 (unless it changed in further CBTs for release)
I Updated the weekly back to 150 (250 was for VIP Test)
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By Excelent - 6/26/2012 11:37:20 AM
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2 - A
3 - No, you don't have to finish all the 250 to get your daily back. Stamina resets every day at 7:00 GST (game server time).
*Note: if you didn't finished off your weekly / daily stamina , they won't stack. For example: Today I consumed 100 out of 150, you won't have 200 tomorrow.
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By Jung - 6/26/2012 11:38:24 AM
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ManaFreaK (6/26/2012)
Good day. You seem to know a lot, so please tell me, how exactly weekly boost is used?
1. I use my 150 daily stamina
2. a) Does weekly boost turn on automatically or b) do i have to turn it on somehow?
3. If answer to 2. was a), then do i have to finish all 250 to get 150 daily stamina the next y after i used my weekly bonus? if answer was b) can i turn it (what is left of 250) off so i get my 150 stamina daily even having used half of the weekly bonus?
Automatically turns on. If you're in a dungeon, and you run out, your weekly would instantly kick in.
Your daily just refreshes at 7:00 am GST regardless of how much stamina you have left, daily or weekly.
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By PoeM - 6/26/2012 11:38:59 AM
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ManaFreaK (6/26/2012)
Good day. You seem to know a lot, so please tell me, how exactly weekly boost is used?
1. I use my 150 daily stamina
2. a) Does weekly boost turn on automatically or b) do i have to turn it on somehow?
3. If answer to 2. was a), then do i have to finish all 250 to get 150 daily stamina the next y after i used my weekly bonus? if answer was b) can i turn it (what is left of 250) off so i get my 150 stamina daily even having used half of the weekly bonus?
After using your 150 daily, Your weekly booster (250) turns on by itself. -NOTE: If you finish a dungeon and reach 0 of your daily booster, it WILL start deducting the weekly immediately.
When the daily stamina is refreshed the next day, it automatically goes over the booster. -EXAMPLE: if you left the booster at like 75 and stopped playing... the next day, your daily 150 will be up (booster shut off) and then when you burn that out, it will bring up from where your booster left off (at 75).
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By PolyMorpher - 6/26/2012 11:45:17 AM
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Stamina has got to go.
If it must stay, use it as a reminder for people, that tells people to quit the game as they're playing too much, just like in perfect world, or make it dragon nest style and make it allow u do dungeons even if ur stamina is 0. Learn from vindictus KR, many people have complained about the stamina system there, eventually it WAS removed. If you wanna make us spend more time lower the exp rate, but the stamina thing got to go. It's completely unfainr for anyone to stop us from playing as it is our time and our life, and i think we have the right to chose how to spend it, This is no Wadiya.
Aladeen all.
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By Jung - 6/26/2012 11:47:24 AM
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PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Stamina has got to go.
If it must stay, use it as a reminder for people, that tells people to quit the game as they're playing too much, just like in perfect world, or make it dragon nest style and make it allow u do dungeons even if ur stamina is 0. Learn from vindictus KR, many people have complained about the stamina system there, eventually it WAS removed. If you wanna make us spend more time lower the exp rate, but the stamina thing got to go. It's completely unfainr for anyone to stop us from playing as it is our time and our life, and i think we have the right to chose how to spend it, This is no Wadiya.
Aladeen all.
No. Go PvP, intrude, or don't play.
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By PolyMorpher - 6/26/2012 12:04:10 PM
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Jung (6/26/2012)
PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Stamina has got to go.
If it must stay, use it as a reminder for people, that tells people to quit the game as they're playing too much, just like in perfect world, or make it dragon nest style and make it allow u do dungeons even if ur stamina is 0. Learn from vindictus KR, many people have complained about the stamina system there, eventually it WAS removed. If you wanna make us spend more time lower the exp rate, but the stamina thing got to go. It's completely unfainr for anyone to stop us from playing as it is our time and our life, and i think we have the right to chose how to spend it, This is no Wadiya.
Aladeen all.
No. Go PvP, intrude, or don't play.
Why should I? What if I wanna help a lvl 1 friend, after leveling(doing dungeons)previously the same day? It limits us too much. Also in my opinion intruding is just stupid, why should someone that has "payed" stamina on a dungeon get intruded and lose his stamina for someone that loses 1 stamina (I'm not sure what the amount is) thus gets to "leech" people and save up his stamina? I wouldn't say a thing about intrusion, because i wouldn't give a ***** about losing a dungeon if i'd know i don't have a daily dungeon limit. the game is pretty much forcing you to pvp, which would've been fun IF I COULD STILL CHOSE TO DO DUNGEONS INSTEAD. If you wanna force people to pvp, create a lot of pvp grades and make a pvp grade requirement for dungeons, for example, Dekaron requires a certain pvp grade for a certain high level skill which makes lots of difference in both pve and pvp in battle. BOO STAMINA!
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By Jung - 6/26/2012 12:35:13 PM
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Why should I? What if I wanna help a lvl 1 friend, after leveling(doing dungeons)previously the same day? It limits us too much. Also in my opinion intruding is just stupid, why should someone that has "payed" stamina on a dungeon get intruded and lose his stamina for someone that loses 1 stamina (I'm not sure what the amount is) thus gets to "leech" people and save up his stamina? I wouldn't say a thing about intrusion, because i wouldn't give a ***** about losing a dungeon if i'd know i don't have a daily dungeon limit. the game is pretty much forcing you to pvp, which would've been fun IF I COULD STILL CHOSE TO DO DUNGEONS INSTEAD. If you wanna force people to pvp, create a lot of pvp grades and make a pvp grade requirement for dungeons, for example, Dekaron requires a certain pvp grade for a certain high level skill which makes lots of difference in both pve and pvp in battle. BOO STAMINA!
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1) Want to help a friend? Make an alt with him. Or actually, why would you run with him at level 1? You're hindering his experience gain and stamina for brain-less early dungeon runs.
2) Intrusion costs no stamina. When you put intrusion on your dungeon, you get 25% more exp and less stamina cost. It's a risk you take for bigger gains. You do have resurrection scrolls to get back up and reclaim your dungeon.
3) It's not forcing you to PvP, PvP is just one of its bigger aspects. You're always free to make more than one character; that's why the selection screen allows you 12.
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By PolyMorpher - 6/26/2012 12:49:50 PM
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Jung (6/26/2012)
Why should I? What if I wanna help a lvl 1 friend, after leveling(doing dungeons)previously the same day? It limits us too much. Also in my opinion intruding is just stupid, why should someone that has "payed" stamina on a dungeon get intruded and lose his stamina for someone that loses 1 stamina (I'm not sure what the amount is) thus gets to "leech" people and save up his stamina? I wouldn't say a thing about intrusion, because i wouldn't give a ***** about losing a dungeon if i'd know i don't have a daily dungeon limit. the game is pretty much forcing you to pvp, which would've been fun IF I COULD STILL CHOSE TO DO DUNGEONS INSTEAD. If you wanna force people to pvp, create a lot of pvp grades and make a pvp grade requirement for dungeons, for example, Dekaron requires a certain pvp grade for a certain high level skill which makes lots of difference in both pve and pvp in battle. BOO STAMINA!
1) Want to help a friend? Make an alt with him. Or actually, why would you run with him at level 1? You're hindering his experience gain and stamina for brain-less early dungeon runs.
2) Intrusion costs no stamina. When you put intrusion on your dungeon, you get 25% more exp and less stamina cost. It's a risk you take for bigger gains. You do have resurrection scrolls to get back up and reclaim your dungeon.
3) It's not forcing you to PvP, PvP is just one of its bigger aspects. You're always free to make more than one character; that's why the selection screen allows you 12.
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Still does not change the facts that it actually limits the PVE aspects. Now correct me if im wrong, I read that 250 stamina was only during VIP test, and during OBT it'll be reduced to 150. My following arguement will be invalid if the sentence above is wrong: People were complaining about the stamina system during VIP phase, they'll go beserk if it'll be reduced to 150. and no, I don't mean that they'll create a beserker.o.o
THE POINT IS: If people wanna get to lvl 50 in a day(impossible but bare with me here) they should be able to do that.
Also, creating a new char means two times the work as you gotta work on gear and that kind of crap. stamina-supporters keep bringing that option up without realizing that most people only like starting new chars if they're bored with the old ones, not because they CAN'T PLAY the old one.
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By blacksealers - 6/26/2012 1:07:32 PM
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Very nice guide.keep it up PoeM..more guides from you.
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By Redskiies - 6/26/2012 6:48:21 PM
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ok so jung and others who still offend me about weekly stamina amount...
did u play the QA test? we had 150daily+200weekly... easyyy~
"Redskiies
its ok, worthless to lvl, annoying that cant buy ***** cuz 2ppl selling opriced *****, got lvl21 w warden... its awsum... also... nathan is full of work lol... wont help us to get to 50 and test more... stamina is 150, weekly is 200
there r some major bugs, but the game is fine... w revamps its sweet" (posted on 13rd jun, to Cake on facebook.... just for u i searched it after a long day... behappy its 200...)
edit: regards... lol...red.. .goodnight...
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By DidYouSeeThat - 6/26/2012 7:05:48 PM
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Lyonesse (2/12/2012) You can update your post, there is no stamina consumption in any sport of PvP. Neither arena/deathmatches, nor intrusions (PK). :)
Thank the lord! I can promise ill be the first person with maxed out infamy or whatever the care bear penalty is in this game now that I know theres no stamina required >:)
Run little bears RUN FAST!
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By PoeM - 6/26/2012 7:18:53 PM
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PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Jung (6/26/2012)
PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Why should I? What if I wanna help a lvl 1 friend, after leveling(doing dungeons)previously the same day? It limits us too much. Also in my opinion intruding is just stupid, why should someone that has "payed" stamina on a dungeon get intruded and lose his stamina for someone that loses 1 stamina (I'm not sure what the amount is) thus gets to "leech" people and save up his stamina? I wouldn't say a thing about intrusion, because i wouldn't give a ***** about losing a dungeon if i'd know i don't have a daily dungeon limit. the game is pretty much forcing you to pvp, which would've been fun IF I COULD STILL CHOSE TO DO DUNGEONS INSTEAD. If you wanna force people to pvp, create a lot of pvp grades and make a pvp grade requirement for dungeons, for example, Dekaron requires a certain pvp grade for a certain high level skill which makes lots of difference in both pve and pvp in battle. BOO STAMINA!
1) Want to help a friend? Make an alt with him. Or actually, why would you run with him at level 1? You're hindering his experience gain and stamina for brain-less early dungeon runs.
2) Intrusion costs no stamina. When you put intrusion on your dungeon, you get 25% more exp and less stamina cost. It's a risk you take for bigger gains. You do have resurrection scrolls to get back up and reclaim your dungeon.
3) It's not forcing you to PvP, PvP is just one of its bigger aspects. You're always free to make more than one character; that's why the selection screen allows you 12.
Still does not change the facts that it actually limits the PVE aspects. Now correct me if im wrong, I read that 250 stamina was only during VIP test, and during OBT it'll be reduced to 150. My following arguement will be invalid if the sentence above is wrong: People were complaining about the stamina system during VIP phase, they'll go beserk if it'll be reduced to 150. and no, I don't mean that they'll create a beserker.o.o
THE POINT IS: If people wanna get to lvl 50 in a day(impossible but bare with me here) they should be able to do that.
Also, creating a new char means two times the work as you gotta work on gear and that kind of crap. stamina-supporters keep bringing that option up without realizing that most people only like starting new chars if they're bored with the old ones, not because they CAN'T PLAY the old one.
tl;dr much.
1. You do not even consider the result of having no stamina. 2. People didn't really complain about the stamina in PvP (90% of population was okay with 150 but there were some 10 year olds, like you. crying for more). 3. Yup. Already berserk. I punched a hole through my wall and posted a banner to increase C9 stamina like a giant S.O.S. 4.Merching requires no stamina. You are boring.
blacksealers (6/26/2012) Very nice guide.keep it up PoeM..more guides from you.
Thank you, I made this back in February although I do not know why February is spelled that way and pronounced Fe-beu-airy. It should be Fe-brew-are-e.
Redskiies (6/26/2012)
ok so jung and others who still offend me about weekly stamina amount...
did u play the QA test? we had 150daily+200weekly... easyyy~
"Redskiies
its ok, worthless to lvl, annoying that cant buy ***** cuz 2ppl selling opriced *****, got lvl21 w warden... its awsum... also... nathan is full of work lol... wont help us to get to 50 and test more... stamina is 150, weekly is 200
there r some major bugs, but the game is fine... w revamps its sweet" (posted on 13rd jun, to Cake on facebook.... just for u i searched it after a long day... behappy its 200...)
edit: regards... lol...red.. .goodnight...
Cool story bro.
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By Jung - 6/26/2012 7:25:16 PM
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Redskiies (6/26/2012)
ok so jung and others who still offend me about weekly stamina amount...
did u play the QA test? we had 150daily+200weekly... easyyy~
"Redskiies
its ok, worthless to lvl, annoying that cant buy ***** cuz 2ppl selling opriced *****, got lvl21 w warden... its awsum... also... nathan is full of work lol... wont help us to get to 50 and test more... stamina is 150, weekly is 200
there r some major bugs, but the game is fine... w revamps its sweet" (posted on 13rd jun, to Cake on facebook.... just for u i searched it after a long day... behappy its 200...)
edit: regards... lol...red.. .goodnight...
What are you trying to tell me?
What I'm getting is, you're saying I don't like the new stamina amount (which I have no idea where you got that notion from, aside from the deepest parts of your arse).
And then you're telling me that QA's stamina was 150 + 200 (something I knew already), and how easy it is with that allowance.
BR?
1) I played CNC9 with 4 characters getting to 40-45 with a 100 daily / 100 weekly stamina system; no need to lecture me on getting used to the new system fellow.
2) Please elaborate on the use of your quote; it looks like the message of a possessed little girl.
Edit: Actually, enough crying and other unneccesary things have derailed the purpose of this thread. Let's see more "thanks for the info" responses from now on.
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By PoeM - 6/26/2012 7:32:45 PM
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By DarkOmen - 6/27/2012 12:17:21 AM
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PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Stamina has got to go.
If it must stay, use it as a reminder for people, that tells people to quit the game as they're playing too much, just like in perfect world, or make it dragon nest style and make it allow u do dungeons even if ur stamina is 0. Learn from vindictus KR, many people have complained about the stamina system there, eventually it WAS removed. If you wanna make us spend more time lower the exp rate, but the stamina thing got to go. It's completely unfainr for anyone to stop us from playing as it is our time and our life, and i think we have the right to chose how to spend it, This is no Wadiya.
Aladeen all.
U sir need to understand one thing here... this is PVP BASED GAME... the best there is here are duels, intrusions, deathmatches... if we wouldn't be limited by stamina, every1 would just turn intrusion off... and no fun at all... how long can u just grind a dung? for what purpose?
Its mindless crap for zombies..... thats why they made it more interesting by adding intrusions....
U dont like it? get a life dude... get a job, get a gf and stop spending 24/7 playing a fcking game....
u dont like pvp? then go play other games that allow u to grind to death.
IMO at high lv they should allow us to intrude at ANY time but killing some1 would mean some bounty on ur head... why? cus its competition. The game should allow us to force pvp on others as pvp here is the best thing c9 has.
U said u wanna help a friend? then just make 2nd char and lv together with him... more benefits for u in party and mroe fun AND u dont waste ur main chars stamina...
Vindictus i heared died after stamina was removed:)
U all come here and QQ "why no open world" , "why stamina".... for gods sake there are some solid reasons i guess.... maybe instance based makes the game less laggy which is crucial for pvp and stamina forces ppl to actually intrude / turn intru on for benefits?
C'mon think a lil....
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By Underdog - 6/27/2012 12:32:01 AM
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Redskiies (6/26/2012)
ok so jung and others who still offend me about weekly stamina amount...
did u play the QA test? we had 150daily+200weekly... easyyy~
"Redskiies
its ok, worthless to lvl, annoying that cant buy ***** cuz 2ppl selling opriced *****, got lvl21 w warden... its awsum... also... nathan is full of work lol... wont help us to get to 50 and test more... stamina is 150, weekly is 200
there r some major bugs, but the game is fine... w revamps its sweet" (posted on 13rd jun, to Cake on facebook.... just for u i searched it after a long day... behappy its 200...)
edit: regards... lol...red.. .goodnight...
Too many "..." tbh
And the stam system actually works well in this game. You honestly have more than enough to keep you busy. Sometimes burning all your stamina actually feels like a chore that you have to do. But you gotta run those masters for the rare drops.
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By PolyMorpher - 6/27/2012 1:20:12 AM
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DarkOmen (6/27/2012)
PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Stamina has got to go.
If it must stay, use it as a reminder for people, that tells people to quit the game as they're playing too much, just like in perfect world, or make it dragon nest style and make it allow u do dungeons even if ur stamina is 0. Learn from vindictus KR, many people have complained about the stamina system there, eventually it WAS removed. If you wanna make us spend more time lower the exp rate, but the stamina thing got to go. It's completely unfainr for anyone to stop us from playing as it is our time and our life, and i think we have the right to chose how to spend it, This is no Wadiya.
Aladeen all.
U sir need to understand one thing here... this is PVP BASED GAME... the best there is here are duels, intrusions, deathmatches... if we wouldn't be limited by stamina, every1 would just turn intrusion off... and no fun at all... how long can u just grind a dung? for what purpose?
Its mindless crap for zombies..... thats why they made it more interesting by adding intrusions....
U dont like it? get a life dude... get a job, get a gf and stop spending 24/7 playing a fcking game....
u dont like pvp? then go play other games that allow u to grind to death.
IMO at high lv they should allow us to intrude at ANY time but killing some1 would mean some bounty on ur head... why? cus its competition. The game should allow us to force pvp on others as pvp here is the best thing c9 has.
U said u wanna help a friend? then just make 2nd char and lv together with him... more benefits for u in party and mroe fun AND u dont waste ur main chars stamina...
Vindictus i heared died after stamina was removed:)
U all come here and QQ "why no open world" , "why stamina".... for gods sake there are some solid reasons i guess.... maybe instance based makes the game less laggy which is crucial for pvp and stamina forces ppl to actually intrude / turn intru on for benefits?
C'mon think a lil....
"why no open world" that's the *****ing game itself, I don't know what kind of an ***** would ask that. Vindictus is more than alive, has a huge playerbase and is frequently updated, both content and events, it got a thousand times better after stamina was cut out! your arguements are invalid, EXCEPT for the intrusion part. Yeah, you're right about that, but the thing is, you're an annoying prick that's incapable of posting arguements alone and have to turn everything into a fight. if i wanna be a nolifer then ill be a nolifer and no random internet troll like you is gonna tell me or a pretty big part of the players here what to do. if they wanna force intrusion they can add a big fat exp bonus to dungeons if intrusion is on, or item bonus, whatever, why do they have to limit people's gameplay?
and exactly what benefits do i get form making an alt to help a friend?! nothing. If there was no stamina, i could clear his low lvl dungeons faster with a high lvl char, making him lvl faster
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By Underdog - 6/27/2012 1:28:29 AM
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PolyMorpher (6/27/2012)
DarkOmen (6/27/2012)
PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Stamina has got to go.
If it must stay, use it as a reminder for people, that tells people to quit the game as they're playing too much, just like in perfect world, or make it dragon nest style and make it allow u do dungeons even if ur stamina is 0. Learn from vindictus KR, many people have complained about the stamina system there, eventually it WAS removed. If you wanna make us spend more time lower the exp rate, but the stamina thing got to go. It's completely unfainr for anyone to stop us from playing as it is our time and our life, and i think we have the right to chose how to spend it, This is no Wadiya.
Aladeen all.
U sir need to understand one thing here... this is PVP BASED GAME... the best there is here are duels, intrusions, deathmatches... if we wouldn't be limited by stamina, every1 would just turn intrusion off... and no fun at all... how long can u just grind a dung? for what purpose?
Its mindless crap for zombies..... thats why they made it more interesting by adding intrusions....
U dont like it? get a life dude... get a job, get a gf and stop spending 24/7 playing a fcking game....
u dont like pvp? then go play other games that allow u to grind to death.
IMO at high lv they should allow us to intrude at ANY time but killing some1 would mean some bounty on ur head... why? cus its competition. The game should allow us to force pvp on others as pvp here is the best thing c9 has.
U said u wanna help a friend? then just make 2nd char and lv together with him... more benefits for u in party and mroe fun AND u dont waste ur main chars stamina...
Vindictus i heared died after stamina was removed:)
U all come here and QQ "why no open world" , "why stamina".... for gods sake there are some solid reasons i guess.... maybe instance based makes the game less laggy which is crucial for pvp and stamina forces ppl to actually intrude / turn intru on for benefits?
C'mon think a lil....
"why no open world" that's the *****ing game itself, I don't know what kind of an ***** would ask that. Vindictus is more than alive, has a huge playerbase and is frequently updated, both content and events, it got a thousand times better after stamina was cut out! your arguements are invalid, EXCEPT for the intrusion part. Yeah, you're right about that, but the thing is, you're an annoying prick that's incapable of posting arguements alone and have to turn everything into a fight. if i wanna be a nolifer then ill be a nolifer and no random internet troll like you is gonna tell me or a pretty big part of the players here what to do. if they wanna force intrusion they can add a big fat exp bonus to dungeons if intrusion is on, or item bonus, whatever, why do they have to limit people's gameplay?
and exactly what benefits do i get form making an alt to help a friend?! nothing. If there was no stamina, i could clear his low lvl dungeons faster with a high lvl char, making him lvl faster
Too much rage over something that really doesn't matter. Stamina works in all the other versions which means it isn't changing. Its not even that big of deal. Wait till you get in game.
Just chill out and take a breather brah. No need to get worked up over some function in game that is working as intended and doesn't need to be changed. 
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By PolyMorpher - 6/27/2012 1:42:56 AM
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PoeM (6/26/2012)
PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Jung (6/26/2012)
PolyMorpher (6/26/2012)
Why should I? What if I wanna help a lvl 1 friend, after leveling(doing dungeons)previously the same day? It limits us too much. Also in my opinion intruding is just stupid, why should someone that has "payed" stamina on a dungeon get intruded and lose his stamina for someone that loses 1 stamina (I'm not sure what the amount is) thus gets to "leech" people and save up his stamina? I wouldn't say a thing about intrusion, because i wouldn't give a ***** about losing a dungeon if i'd know i don't have a daily dungeon limit. the game is pretty much forcing you to pvp, which would've been fun IF I COULD STILL CHOSE TO DO DUNGEONS INSTEAD. If you wanna force people to pvp, create a lot of pvp grades and make a pvp grade requirement for dungeons, for example, Dekaron requires a certain pvp grade for a certain high level skill which makes lots of difference in both pve and pvp in battle. BOO STAMINA!
1) Want to help a friend? Make an alt with him. Or actually, why would you run with him at level 1? You're hindering his experience gain and stamina for brain-less early dungeon runs.
2) Intrusion costs no stamina. When you put intrusion on your dungeon, you get 25% more exp and less stamina cost. It's a risk you take for bigger gains. You do have resurrection scrolls to get back up and reclaim your dungeon.
3) It's not forcing you to PvP, PvP is just one of its bigger aspects. You're always free to make more than one character; that's why the selection screen allows you 12.
Still does not change the facts that it actually limits the PVE aspects. Now correct me if im wrong, I read that 250 stamina was only during VIP test, and during OBT it'll be reduced to 150. My following arguement will be invalid if the sentence above is wrong: People were complaining about the stamina system during VIP phase, they'll go beserk if it'll be reduced to 150. and no, I don't mean that they'll create a beserker.o.o
THE POINT IS: If people wanna get to lvl 50 in a day(impossible but bare with me here) they should be able to do that.
Also, creating a new char means two times the work as you gotta work on gear and that kind of crap. stamina-supporters keep bringing that option up without realizing that most people only like starting new chars if they're bored with the old ones, not because they CAN'T PLAY the old one.
tl;dr much.
1. You do not even consider the result of having no stamina. 2. People didn't really complain about the stamina in PvP (90% of population was okay with 150 but there were some 10 year olds, like you. crying for more). 3. Yup. Already berserk. I punched a hole through my wall and posted a banner to increase C9 stamina like a giant S.O.S. 4.Merching requires no stamina. You are boring.
denying the constant forum posts and complainings from most people in vip tests...weird.
I do consider the result of having no stamina, and its just stupid without stamina, that's why im saying REPLACE stamina with ***** that don't limit your gameplay time, to completely remove it and not put something else instead will kill epic things in this game like intrusion, etc.
people that support stamina , to me, are pvp junkies, usually seen only pvping, getting their epic gear and money by paying real money, wether buying in-game money or selling premium items, also filled themselves with premium items. Now i'm NOT saying you ARE , but you guys probably are. it makes pvp unbalanced, and since 99% of mmos have them i gave up hope. if pvp will be balanced, and people that pay real money wont have an edge over those that don't, like costumes with stats, special buff items etc. that's why i always hated pvp in most mmos. If i'll see that "premium" people wont have an edge over non paying ones, i wont give a ***** since pvp will be actually fun. I hope that this game wont turn out to be a pay-to-play-F2P game like nexon :\
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By Redskiies - 6/27/2012 2:26:07 AM
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Underdog (6/27/2012)
Redskiies (6/26/2012)
ok so jung and others who still offend me about weekly stamina amount...
did u play the QA test? we had 150daily+200weekly... easyyy~
"Redskiies
its ok, worthless to lvl, annoying that cant buy ***** cuz 2ppl selling opriced *****, got lvl21 w warden... its awsum... also... nathan is full of work lol... wont help us to get to 50 and test more... stamina is 150, weekly is 200
there r some major bugs, but the game is fine... w revamps its sweet" (posted on 13rd jun, to Cake on facebook.... just for u i searched it after a long day... behappy its 200...)
edit: regards... lol...red.. .goodnight...
Too many "..." tbh
And the stam system actually works well in this game. You honestly have more than enough to keep you busy. Sometimes burning all your stamina actually feels like a chore that you have to do. But you gotta run those masters for the rare drops.
i just say that others say its 150/250... but its 150/200... nothing else... thats why i said (read back...) that near those amounts u can lvl more chars, that means not need to focus on 1 gamestyle while u try to find ur own... zzz
regs:red...
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By MegaManZXAdvent - 6/27/2012 10:10:39 AM
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PoeM (2/15/2012)
guenthar (2/15/2012) Since I hate pvp I guess it really does limit game play for me and since there are so few action mmorpgs out there I really hate this.
Ouch :/ Direct insult to most games ^
Guildwards 2 is going to have an amazing story so wait for that?
Not everyone likes to PvP including me, the Stamina System will most likely discourage me from playing C9, It has to go period.
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By RyuKaiser - 6/27/2012 10:27:03 AM
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The genius of this move is that it got me to reinstall Dragon Nest and Dungeon Fighter Online. You wanna force a stamina system on me, limit how much I can play? Fine, by all means. There are several other companies that want to give me what I want, rather than shove PvP in my face. I don't want to PvP or roll 20 characters, so my alternative is to just shrug and move on, just like Elsword. Did I mention I'm in the Firefall Beta too? Yeah... I'm in the Firefall Beta too. I've got plenty to do in not playing your game, and all they've done here is shoved me into the arms of the competition. Brilliant!
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By PoeM - 6/27/2012 10:27:48 AM
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The Stamina system REALLY isn't as bad as everyone is making it look like by blowing it out of proportion. The game is perfectly fine with stamina. I'm sorry you can't play your game for 72 hours straight, OH WAIT YOU CAN BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS TO DO. Le sigh.
This is not a pay 2 win game. It's very skill based and cashshop will have a small role.
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By zoots - 6/27/2012 10:44:51 AM
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Stamina = Bad.
Why would a company limit their base players to play a game ?
Yes you can think of Dragon Nest. Even if it was a pay 2 win game, it has nothing to do with stamina.
People could run dungeons when they want to, with whoever they want. Did that break the game ? Not at all, it actually got more popular by removing it.
We are not from Japan or any other country that does have a law to force-limit player to play games.
US/Canada/Oceania does not have these kind of law.
You want to limit player to play your game? It's your choice but you better think twice before doing so because I know that a lot of people will dislike it.
No matter what you say, limiting player to play a game in the US = bad move.
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By MegaManZXAdvent - 6/27/2012 11:02:26 AM
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zoots (6/27/2012)
Stamina = Bad.
Why would a company limit their base players to play a game ?
Yes you can think of Dragon Nest. Even if it was a pay 2 win game, it has nothing to do with stamina.
People could run dungeons when they want to, with whoever they want. Did that break the game ? Not at all, it actually got more popular by removing it.
We are not from Japan or any other country that does have a law to force-limit player to play games.
US/Canada/Oceania does not have these kind of law.
You want to limit player to play your game? It's your choice but you better think twice before doing so because I know that a lot of people will dislike it.
No matter what you say, limiting player to play a game in the US = bad move. QFT! I could not have said that any better myself.
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By burst6 - 6/27/2012 12:09:51 PM
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I'm a bit conflicted about this.
on one hand, stamina cuts down on my ability to play the game, which is a really bad thought. I really hate that they reduced stamina to 150 from the CB. I liked the 250 stamina, it was a nice amount and was really hard to burn through.
On the other hand, it encourages intrusions which are awesome. It also makes the lives of gold sellers harder. I really hate gold sellers, they always manage to wreck an ingame economy. There's no way to get rid of them and the spam ive experienced from nexon games sends me into a rage whenever i see them. I really doubt this game has enough staff to handle gold sellers properly.
You know.. i'm just not gonna care and play the game. Whatever webzen chooses is ok by me, long term consequences be damned.
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By videogameotaku - 6/27/2012 1:57:06 PM
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I couldn't care less whether there is a stamina system or not. Imho I do like it there to some extent. Though as much as I do love C9, me personally, having a cut off would be nice. As I see it, it lets me concentrate on real life and/or other aspects of the game. I'm not tempted to waste away in front of my pc 24/7 365 days a year trying to get that next shiney new lvl for another skill or better armor, or just to try and be one of the big boys in the top highest lvls (memories of DN comes to mind... ridiculous. Then again as I already read some and/or most of you will just do so in another game).
So I'll continue with my self studies and spending time with my family. 
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By illuminati - 6/27/2012 2:03:15 PM
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This resembles when Vindictus had a token system where each battle cost tokens. The whole community hated it and eventually it got removed. However this game is with Nexon, a moderately good company that doesn't just want your money. Webzen however in all there games they are money hungry and this stamina system will never be removed, trust me, Webzen is probably is the best example of company that just wants money.
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By Jung - 6/27/2012 2:09:39 PM
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illuminati (6/27/2012) However this game is with Nexon, a moderately good company that doesn't just want your money.

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By videogameotaku - 6/27/2012 2:11:00 PM
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illuminati (6/27/2012) This resembles when Vindictus had a token system where each battle cost tokens. The whole community hated it and eventually it got removed. However this game is with Nexon, a moderately good company that doesn't just want your money. Webzen however in all there games they are money hungry and this stamina system will never be removed, trust me, Webzen is probably is the best example of company that just wants money.
Dragon's Nest was with Nexon I found that game, greatly, to be P2W.
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By PoeM - 6/27/2012 5:10:03 PM
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Jung (6/27/2012)
illuminati (6/27/2012) However this game is with Nexon, a moderately good company that doesn't just want your money.

This Guy, made my day.
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By illuminati - 6/27/2012 5:44:12 PM
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PoeM (6/27/2012)
Jung (6/27/2012)
illuminati (6/27/2012) However this game is with Nexon, a moderately good company that doesn't just want your money.

This Guy, made my day.
Lol I may have overexaggerated in that sentence (of course all companies want to make profit more than anything else; but I'm comparing Webzen), but you can't say Webzen is better than Nexon. Webzen is the least known F2P MMO owners that in itself tells you something of a companies failure of operations.
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By Aixa - 6/27/2012 5:48:54 PM
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Jung (6/27/2012)
illuminati (6/27/2012) However this game is with Nexon, a moderately good company that doesn't just want your money.

That pretty much sums up how I feel. If it wasnt bad enough whats obvious, also the IP blocks are so they only pay licences for what they feel will give more money, not quality. USA, Australia and originally new zealand? Yea thats so gonna be good ping for everyone.
Webzen had very *****ty games.. I dont think anyone couldve done well with them. How they operate C9 is gonna be the real test whether their a good company or a bad company.
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By PoeM - 7/4/2012 6:11:37 PM
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BUMP
--Added Survival
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By Alondra - 7/4/2012 7:31:11 PM
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Perfect World Entertainment launch a time long ago Rusty Hearts, is a Hack and slash game just like C9 but with more cartoon graphics, well the thing is, the game have a stamina system too, and a lot of people complaint about it (me too) they fix it easy just block the stamina at top and the stamina system is bloqued u can play as long as u want without any problem or anything. You dont have to wait or pay for anything and the game is going really well have a big comunity.
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By Flylow - 7/4/2012 9:47:05 PM
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This is America not Korea. We do not have limits on how much we can play. Take out the stamina system nuff said
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By PoeM - 7/4/2012 9:56:12 PM
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Flylow (7/4/2012) This is America not Korea. We do not have limits on how much we can play. Take out the stamina system nuff said
This thread is not about increase/decrease/removing stamina. Please refer to the topic before posting a retarded reply.
Thank you.
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By Flylow - 7/4/2012 10:00:53 PM
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PoeM (7/4/2012)
Flylow (7/4/2012) This is America not Korea. We do not have limits on how much we can play. Take out the stamina system nuff said
This thread is not about increase/decrease/removing stamina. Please refer to the topic before posting a retarded reply.
Thank you.
Ok, the way SP works is a very ignorant way for a *****ty company like Webzen to make more money. wouldnt doubt it if they ended up turning into the next Nexon.
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By videogameotaku - 7/4/2012 10:18:05 PM
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videogameotaku (7/4/2012) The way I look at it the stamina system is a loose, loose situation on boths sides. People and kiddy winks sit in front of the pc 24/7, slowly decline in health, (and everything else for that matter) rot and die off. The parents/friends/family etc freak out about it, media gets ahold of it and then the company gets attacked with a POSSIBLE shut down so no game at all. But on the other hand, they keep the system and everyone complains, whinges, whines and moans with POSSIBLE loss in player base. At the end of the day no one will win. There is going to be complaints and moaning no matter what the hell happens... Me... I just want everyone to... SHUT UP AND DEAL. If you like the game play it the way it is, if you don't well then one less to lag the severs.
To quote myself... lol Saves me from typing it all over again.
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By PoeM - 7/4/2012 10:21:07 PM
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Flylow (7/4/2012)
PoeM (7/4/2012)
Flylow (7/4/2012) This is America not Korea. We do not have limits on how much we can play. Take out the stamina system nuff said
This thread is not about increase/decrease/removing stamina. Please refer to the topic before posting a retarded reply.
Thank you.
Ok, the way SP works is a very ignorant way for a *****ty company like Webzen to make more money. wouldnt doubt it if they ended up turning into the next Nexon.
They will never be Nexon. It's a lot more fair.
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By PoeM - 2/12/2012 3:49:08 PM
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7/4/2102 Updated
To start off with the basics...
Daily Stamina [150] (Was 250 during VIP) - Replenished at 7AM GST every day
Weekly Stamina Booster [250] (Was 250 @ VIP - 200 During Early Access) - If you use all of your stamina for the day, you can start using this to continue gaming. However low you drop it before the stamina reset or logging off, it will remain at that amount all week until the reset. -Replenished at 7AM GST Saturday
When you run out of stamina you can no longer run dungeons, however, you may still intrude on other player's dungeons.
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Now to go into what Stamina is used for...
-Dungeons --The harder the dungeon difficulty, the more stamina will be consumed (4 Difficulties: Normal>Hard>Expert>Master) --Each time you enter a dungeon, after a minute or so, a small amount of stamina is taken based on the difficulty of the dungeon. (It really isn't much and only takes 7 for the hardest difficulty) --I was informed stamina is only taken when you are fighting mobs/hitting things. Stamina is consumed after clearing certain parts of each stage. This means you can afk and your stamina will be spared! --The last bit of stamina is taken once you kill the boss. Furthermore, the amount is fixed by difficulty."
a. Soloing --However, the longer you stay in a dungeon, the more stamina will be consumed. (This is because it takes you more attacks and, virtually, a longer time to finish the mission) b. Partying --When you do dungeons with a party, it takes the same small amounts at the beginning, but overall applies an equal stamina extraction because you will probably do the dungeon faster as a party.
c. Conclusion --It's fair to say that soloing and doing dungeons with a party take about an equal amount of stamina (Possibly 1 stamina less when partying... Lol?)
d. Extra 1. There are seperate dungeons called warehouses that you can solo after obtaining three pieces of that map then assemble them into one. They aren't required dungeons but let you obtain items that you can disassemble for materials. These warehouses have cost me a flat rate of 3 stamina (So far.. and i'm at the last continent and have tried all of them) 2. There is another seperate dungeon that isn't a warehouse (heretic island) but costs 7 stamina. (Also require three pieces of that map assembled into one before you enter)
- PvP : --No Stamina Cost (Enjoy)
- Intrusions : --Costs Gold - No Stamina Cost (Pretty much you can do it until you're poor) --When you enable this while doing dungeons (it costs you a little less stamina than normal)
- Crafting/Enchanting/Wondering Around : --No Stamina Cost
- Survival Mode (May only attempt 3 times a day): --No stamina cost --By surviving [X] rounds you can get : ----[5]---10 stamina / 50% exp boost ---[10]---20 stamina / 50 % exp boost ---[15]---30 stamina / 100% exp boost ---[20]---30 stamina / 100% exp boost
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By PoeM - 7/13/2012 9:51:18 AM
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People need to read this to semi-understand stamina and stop crying about "ONLY 150?"
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By Hasdrubal - 7/13/2012 5:19:25 PM
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Well since everybody are ignoring my post on bug section im gonna write it here.
If you intrude you sometimes loss stamina even though it was stated everywhere that you dont. Dont know if it is when you take over dungeon or not, but when I was intruding and took over a dungeon our daily stamina was reset and i started to lose it.
Would be nice if somebody checked on that bug instead of me, because i have no time to do that.
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By HermesNight - 7/13/2012 5:53:39 PM
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some facts about stamina(there are some stuff that's wrong on the front page):
When you first enter a dungeon, you don't lose stamina instantly. This helps you quit out immediately if you've selected a wrong dungeon/difficulty without losing stamina. During this time, you will not be able to pick up any items.
There are "zones" to each map and difficulty. Killing all the key monsters(monsters with big red circles on the minimap) or interacting with objects (big yellow circles) will open up the next "zone" of the map. There are some set "zones" that do not consume stamina, but opening up new "zones" will most likely consume a set amount of stamina, which differs from difficulty to difficulty.
Killing a boss will decrease stamina, since the boss room is considered a "zone" and stamina isn't subtracted as you enter a boss room. (I think)
Map clear speed/monster hitting does not affect stamina decrease. Stamina only decreases as you enter a "zone". Partying will cost less stamina because stamina lost by opening each zones decreases by a set amount depending on the party size.
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By lajusman - 5/12/2013 2:12:23 AM
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Another game with a retarded stamina system like DN, with the excuse of 'hurrr durrr save the economy hurrr durrr prevent bots' I just want to play all that I want ffs... btw thx for the info
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By PoeM - 5/15/2013 2:54:01 AM
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Wtf Necro..
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